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MyDD has become an Embarassment

by PantsB, Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:36:06 PM EST

Currently number 3 in the Recommended Diary List is

Barack gives Hillary "the finger"
by TexasDarlin
311 comments

In this article, TexasDarlin claims that Barack Obama gave Hillary Clinton the middle finger on two separate occasions since the Pennsylvania Debate during campaign speeches.

Not surprisingly this was quickly recommended up. However, there's a problem. Its completely untrue.

Less importantly, there was only one speech. A different angle showed different people behind Barack Obama. This could simple have been a mistake, but no retraction or correction has been given 8 hours after the posting of the diary despite the fact that this was immediately pointed out.

More importantly, Barack Obama never gave her the finger. A conclusive side view of the speech was posted as comment #8 12 minutes after the diary was posted by moreperfectunion.

He also included a link to video that included the entire event from Obama's right side. One can clearly see at 20:50 that Obama scratched the side of his face with both his middle and index fingers.

Of course no retraction has been made and the diary has stayed just where it is.

Is this what MyDD has become? I've been coming here since 2004. Its often been a more measured counterpart to Kos, which provided well reasoned commentary that wasn't as big a soapbox as Kos but still had plenty of gravitas.

I understand that there are a number of fervent Hillary Clinton supporters that have decided MyDD is their home turf because its the most prominent Democratic site that has strong support among the administration. But that doesn't change that HRC has never been the universal or even predominant choice among MyDD readership. This blog was not set up as a Hillary Clinton blog. Its was here before this primary battle. The question is, will it be relevant after?

Not only are these diaries an embarrassment to MyDD, but they are detrimental to the Democratic party and our chances of winning the Presidency in November. False attack diaries for the express purpose of damaging the likely Democratic candidate for President of the United States of American is not what this site is for and will damn it to obscurity.

I've personally had enough of it. Can we cut out the foolishness? If not, what should be done about it?

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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (1.66 / 6)

Does anyone have any idea why this sprouted up all of a sudden? It was fine for a few weeks - now today all these RedState type diaries that wouldn't last two minutes on even DailyKos are popping up.

It's a total grossout.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:39:53 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

i think it's kinda fun, though. I agree with a few other posters in that I, too, love messy train wrecks!

by SeanF on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:53:26 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

still a bowl of potpourri compares to that cesspit at dkos, witness kos's latest post demeaning clinton supporters..

by zane on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:41:08 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

When right-wing blogs start routinely linking to Daily Kos, you will have a point.

Hell will also have frozen over.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:45:41 PM EST
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They don't need to (2.00 / 1)

they just cut and paste each other.

by linc on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:48:17 PM EST
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Re: They don't need to (2.00 / 1)

Show me a single example.

Just one. Or better yet, show me the 'type' of diary that a right-wing site would link to; it doesn't need to have actually happened.

At present count there are like 9 diaries here that could come out of the mouth of Sean Hannity, and in some cases actually have.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:54:18 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

I haven't really seen anything that matches the low of Texas Darlin's latest.

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:56:46 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

Well, at least not since the last TexasDarlin diary.
Though, that one may have been deleted by Admins.

by Kysen on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:04:03 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

Nope. Fell off rec list but till there.

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:27:10 PM EST
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Which post would that be? (none / 0)

If it's out of line I'd be happy to rate it accordingly.

Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.

by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

Get ready for the flood of troll ratings coming your way...they don't like it when you use things like logic and fact. Besides, you TOTALLY photoshoped in the extra finger...

by Rockville Liberal on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:41:42 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (1.80 / 5)

You know, I gave this site money during its last fundraising drive. I want a refund. I'm all for an open and honest debate, but I'm not going to financially support a platform that does nothing but enhance McCain's chances in the fall. Most of the main pagers are decent and insightful regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum, but some of what is happening on the right side of the page is beyond the pale.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:42:16 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

My adblocker is up.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:44:50 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (none / 0)

Jeter, I'm touched. Pray tell, what offended your delicate sensibilities?

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:05:06 PM EST
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Oh settle down (2.00 / 2)

he did 'turn up his shoulder' and apparently wipe clinton off his boots. Besides, whether or not he did flip Clinton off- it was the crowds jr. high reaction to his gestures that is most disturbing.

by linc on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:47:20 PM EST

Re: Oh settle down (2.00 / 0)

Barack Obama made a reference to popular rapper Jay-Z's song "Dirt off Your Shoulder". Its a well known reference (I'm white as can be and dislike rap but it was still immediately apparent to me). If this had been 1965 he might have told HRC to "stay off my blue suede shoes."

As to the second sentence - there was no gesture. They were responding to "She looked like she was in her element" ie HRC is part of the old way of politics.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:51:34 PM EST
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There did appear to be a gesture (none / 0)

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.

by KnowVox on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:12:17 PM EST
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Look up (none / 0)

Look at the top of the diary or the video I linked. He was scratching his cheek with two fingers. If you watch the entire speech you'll see him do it with his pinky finger, with his index finger and with this index/middle finger combination.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:45:49 PM EST
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Re: Look up (none / 0)

Watch the slow motion video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDp vM

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.

by KnowVox on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:15:03 PM EST
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Re: Look up (none / 0)

"A little basketball move with the spinning hands" ?!?!?!

Great source to cite. You should be proud.

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:20:43 PM EST
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Re: Look up (none / 0)

It is difficult to flip someone off when you have your index finger extended.

Its complete fiction.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:43:24 PM EST
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The diary is referencing the piece on the rec list (2.00 / 2)

... that states that Obama "gave the finger" to Clinton. This was also diaried a number of other times here today, with one spectacularly craptacular piece claiming that Obama was invoking a mysogynistic Jay-Z song.

(And don't forget that after the Iowa primary, Taylor Marsh and the lying hacks at No Quarter claimed that Obama played another misogynistic Jay-Z song at his victory party. That garbage was debunked just like this story. Seems the bile spewers are recycling their lies.)

Of course, this crap started at NoQuarter and traveled through the sewer line that flows between NoQuarter and Fox News and quickly appeared on the Fox News website and on their network.

It's nice to know that we have some who claim to be Democrats feeding bogus Swiftboat-style attacks to the slimebags at Fox News.

Also interesting to note that most of the NoQuarter slime was booted from this place while Jerome was gone on his trip, but now that he has returned, the scum has come back with him.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:55:38 PM EST
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I don't care what he did (2.00 / 1)

the problem for him is that anyone- other than his most ardent supporters- will see some... unprofessionalism, if you will, in the way he reacted to the debate.

by linc on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:21:53 PM EST
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Says who? (none / 0)

You?

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:24:32 PM EST
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OK Bob (1.50 / 2)

keep hoping.

by linc on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:30:21 PM EST
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You're the one who made this claim: (2.00 / 1)

the problem for him is that anyone- other than his most ardent supporters- will see some... unprofessionalism, if you will, in the way he reacted to the debate.

I simply asked what you based that on. I don't think you have anything to back that up. Polling? Anything?

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:33:21 PM EST
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Re: You're the one who made this claim: (none / 0)

crickets

by johnnyappleseed on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:50:37 PM EST
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Gee. Like (2.00 / 0)

"Should we get Sen. Obama a pillow?" while whining about getting the first question first too many times, which most politicians would relish, and when she'd gotten the first question 1 more time than Sen. Obama. You mean like that?

Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.

by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:17:59 PM EST
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Re: Oh settle down (none / 0)

You are reaching for anything, aren't you?

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:57:38 PM EST
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Trolls and PR Hacks outnumber actual users. (2.00 / 2)

by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:48:30 PM EST

Re: Trolls and PR Hacks outnumber actual users. (2.00 / 0)

A new plagarismgate. I'm stealing that for a sig.

by Whash on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:56:51 PM EST
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You as their chief n/t (1.00 / 1)

by linc on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:31:31 PM EST
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I hope Hillary paid you up front. (none / 0)

by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:49:06 AM EST
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What's embarrassing is.... (none / 0)

rather than letting a non-issue go, YOU brought it back up.

by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:49:23 PM EST

Re: What's embarrassing is.... (2.00 / 4)

No, really, the diary still being on he rec-list after being debunked is way more embarrassing.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:06:03 PM EST
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Retraction page 25 (2.00 / 1)

Which is one reason I led with it in this diary. Not only do I feel its a prime example of terrible diaries that get Rec'd up, but the proof that it was false is buried by the avalanche of other posts a Rec'd diary gets.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:20:16 PM EST
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Re: Retraction page 25 (2.00 / 0)

meh... poof-schmoof... we don't need no stinking proof around here... especially when it runs contrary to what some already know in their hearts to be true... /snark.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:23:19 PM EST
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Diarist misrepresents themself... (none / 0)

...the diarist has only been semi-active here in the past 30 days. Their "experience" on MyDD, up until 30 days ago, consisted of a total of three comments and no diaries in over two years--until three days after Hillary folks left DKos in the middle of last month.

Ahhh, yes....the silent majority (LOL!) speaks up, right? I think not. More like: "The-silently-sadistic-with-too-much-tim e-on-their-hands."

by bobswern on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:28:30 PM EST
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Re: Diarist misrepresents themself... (2.00 / 1)

Gee, judge much...?

I was a lurker on this site for quite a while... I don't post at all the sites I visit, but I do tend to get out a lot.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:46:10 PM EST
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If it's good enough for MSNBC... (2.00 / 1)

I guess it's good enough for mydd. Seriously, whether that's what Obama meant or not, it's not a big deal. I don't understand your outrage.

by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:25:45 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

Actually, that diary, and the one that somehow thinks Obama is chillin' with a Jay-Z song givin the finger, are comedy gold?

The only one I thought was so merciless and bent was the one comparing Obama to George Wallace?

There was nothing even remotely funny about that one, it was a vitrolic pyscho rant, beyond most I have read on Free Republic?

Really, it's getting pretty thin, when the No Quarter crowd has to gin up Bill Ayers and 10 milisecond slices of frame grab to make it's case?

And, Hillary's negatives just keep climbing?

I wonder why?

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:49:41 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

Well, we can see why Obama's negatives have been rising, can't we?

Wait til more see the real Obama.

by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:01:12 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

Well, if the "real Obama" is framed through some of the Clinton supporters here on this site, I would expect the negatives to go up... but it wouldn't be a true picture either.

I found it funny that we spent part of the day yesterday discussing if Obama supporters hate Clinton more than they like Obama... I have contended that, for a while now, there are Clinton supporters on this site who hate Obama more than they like Clinton. They must...! For every positive Clinton diary, there are about 6 bashfests against Obama. For some of them, I could list 10 reasons why they hate Obama and not a single reason why they like Clinton.... maybe it's r-w trolls... don't know.

I wasn't surprised that the diary today hit the rec list... it was an all-out hit piece... depending on the author, that is usually where they end up these days...

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:11:19 PM EST
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More Hillary as victim: (none / 0)

about Moveon:

"they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:20:20 PM EST
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Re: More Hillary as victim: (2.00 / 0)

She also lied about their position on the war in Afghanistan.

People aren't going to forget that people like the Reverend Wright, and moveon.org (which was founded specifically to protect her and her husband) were there when she needed them.

She's the worst kind of snob. Loyalty is expected of people like Bill Richardson but peasants like Rev. Wright or moveon.org don't deserve it from Her Inevitability.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:56:58 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

I have a suggestion for you if you don't like this website - -
If it's soooooooooo bad, and soooooooo terrible - -

Get the f--- off of it.
Nobody's tying you down.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:50:22 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

See we can leave, but that won't stop freerepublic from linking to this type of trash.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:55:42 PM EST
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Oh well now you've intimidated me (2.00 / 2)

Oh Mr Gunn, with your masked curse words and rational and original request, I simply must stay to hear more of what you have to offer.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:59:33 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

It's too hard to stay away. The hillarybloggers cabal keep topping themselves.

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:59:38 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (1.00 / 6)

But they are handing out free Kool-Ade to all the Obamabots over at DKos.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:05:47 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

You know there's a variation on Godwin's Law that involves Barack Obama and "Kool-Aid".

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:17:34 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

The "KoolAde" insult is so tired. Can you come up with something new while we endure the last three weeks of Hillary's candidacy?

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:30:36 PM EST
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Sorry, Johnny, we're here, and there's not (2.00 / 1)

a goddamned thing you can do about it.
I strongly suspect that many of you will no longer be here when the inevitable happens and Obama wraps up the nomination.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:06:08 PM EST
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Re: Oh, Reilly? (1.00 / 0)

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:10:24 PM EST
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Did you come out of a huddle (2.00 / 0)

with that one, or did you come up with it on your own?

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:21:55 PM EST
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'Get the f--- off it.' (2.00 / 2)

Are you speaking for Jerome?

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM EST
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Re: 'Get the f--- off it.' (none / 0)

Just some basic 12-Step advice.
No charge.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:09:47 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

In the video, it still looks like he's giving her the "finger."

I've never scratched my face with my middle finger. Especially not in public. Maybe I'm just too acclimated to common courtesy, but the idea of holding my hand to my face, having the index finger slightly raised, and then scratching with the middle finger, fully protruded... well, I guess I just wouldn't go there. I'd be too conscious that people would think I was giving them the middle finger. :-(

Anyway, we can bash each other's favorite candidate until a nominee is chosen. The Republicans were doing it all last year and ended up with the candidate that most of their party dislikes. He's no worse off for it.

So to Clinton and Obama: use your best shots, INCLUDING taking the high road if that's going to work best for you personally. Most of the divisions will disappear in the fall, because no one wants McCain appointing the next three or so Supreme Ct. Justices.

Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.

by BPK80 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:51:53 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

Of course Obama supporters are going to deny it.
The gesture was DESIGNED to be deniable.

Sorry, but the timing, the pauses, Obama's grin afterwards are all you need to know. He thinks he was coy, but he was actually small-minded and petty.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:08:24 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

If you set your self up to be outraged and insulted, you will be, simple as that.

You can see what ever you want to see... and you can attach whatever convenient explanations fit the narrative already chattering away in your head... doesn't make any of it true to anyone but you.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:14:23 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

let me see if I'm understanding your argument.

Obama planned ahead. He said to himself, "I'm going to flip the bird while saying 'was in her element.'" Even though, that's a non sequiter, he knew that was a great plan. But, he's so clever, he decided to NOT ACTUALLY FLIP THE BIRD AT ANYONE. In fact, he scratched his face with two fingers. Now, he knew that it would only appear that he was flipping HRC off (even though it was a non-sequiter) to about 1/8th of the audience, but they got the joke because they all were using their secret decoder rings that they get at their cult meetings. So they got the joke.

Yeah, so by not actually flipping anyone off, he was flipping HRC off but doing it in a way to avoid getting caught.

he's crazy like a fox, that one.

"Don't let it end this way; tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

by shef on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:00:35 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

I thought one of the guidelines for writing a dairy was not to criticize the site itself. I left DailyKos and a couple others so I guess if you do not like what is happening you can give the site a break for a while. It works sometimes.

"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."

by LadyEagle on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:52:50 PM EST

The water's getting hot in the frog pot (1.66 / 3)

People don't wish to admit they were wrong about her. As her behavior worsens, her supporters get correspondingly more deranged.

This place won't make any sense until she's ushered off the dais.

by Bee on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:53:41 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 2)

I don't think fingergate is anywhere near as embarrassing as the whole "Clinton darkened Obama's face in the ad" situation. That was far more ridiculous and the allegations even more nefarious (racism)

by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:54:47 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (1.00 / 0)

so you have to go back to lying when all else failes? How low.

...even the media jumped on that tale to say it was such an unsustantiated and terrible accusation and it was thoroughly checked after the Obama followers accusations.

by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:56:51 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

I'll let you two argue past each other while I scratch my head in wonderment.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:58:39 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

You scratch your head....I'll scratch my face. ;)

by Kysen on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:06:58 PM EST
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LOL, good one (none / 0)

Kysen.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:29:15 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

Huh? No I am saying that that whole ridiculous episode on DK makes anything posted here look like child's play. Giving her the finger.. not giving her the finger.... ok so debate that or whatever but accusing the Clinton campaign of darkening a photo to elicit racist response was so far beyond anything people are up in arms about here at this site.

by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:07:43 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

I was in that thread - I was arguing against the premise.

There was no doubt that his face was darker. I was saying that when you drain the color out of a photo, you need to heighten the contrast in order to keep the image crisp, and that his darkening was a natural result of that.

The site and the users themselves sort of work those issues out on their own. And anyway, that was two months ago.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:57:46 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (none / 0)

So it was two months ago, doesn't make it irrelevant. It still was used and promoted by Markos to frame Hillary's campaign as 'racist', even though it was the furtherest stretch ever made to do so.

It worked. Markos should never, ever be forgiven for that. He's lower than a snakes belly in a Republican mosh pit in my opinion.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:02:12 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (none / 0)

Umm, guy, they darkened his face in an ad. That's not in dispute.

It took a couple of days for people to work out the technical reasons for it but you can't expect some people not to notice and comment on it. DKos is a huge site.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58:59 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

The front page face darkening diary by Kos himself was the reason I left the site. To my knowledge, he has never appologized for that accusation. And no guy, they didn't darken his face. If you go back and do a little research, as Factcheck.org did, you will discover that the actual video footage from the ad that ran on a Texas television station did not show Obama's face darkened. The downloaded Youtube video of the ad was darker and distorted, but that wasn't the footage that ran on TV in Texas.

by bouvougan on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:39:03 AM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 0)

here we go again. Name calling and doom and gloom of total collapse, because and Obama supporter doesn't like diary that shows Obama as he is, instead of one claiming to be something else?

You just countered your own argument. You said the entire MYDD is an embarrassment now, but you say that "But that doesn't change that HRC has never been the universal or even predominant choice among MyDD readership."......but yet you just railed against everyone becuase you didn't like a diary? And yet, even though Hillary supporters are not the large groups in the blogosphere, it still managed to receive as many rec'ds to make it up on the list. Gotta' love democracy! Here our votes actually count!

Here, this view CBS caught show's an excellent full frontal view, if you like.

VIDEO
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:55:20 PM EST

Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 3)

"shows how he is"? The alleged flip-off didn't even occur. What planet are you on?

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:01:13 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 5)

Linda (and others) have already decided "how he is" and will accept any argument that fits that idea. They may not accept counter-arguments though, you may waste your breath.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:17:14 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.

Saxby Chambliss: Asshat

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:31:28 PM EST
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Re: MyDD has become an Embarassment (2.00 / 1)

Don't forget the Weather Underground stuff..

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie

by nogo war on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:56:45 PM EST

If you're embarrased--scram! (2.00 / 3)

Blah, blah, blah. . another Obama supporter doesn't like what makes the rec. list at MyDD. Well, the rec. list is determined by what most users want to discuss. If, for whatever reason, you don't like the diaries that make the rec. list, why don't you ignore them? Why is the rec. list so important anyway? Can't you read and make comments on the front-pager's threads, and the diaries that don't make the rec. list? I have no idea whether Obama gave Hillary the Finger or not, and, I'm not interested in reading about it. You claim he didn't, others claim he did; but I just don't care. So, I have ignored the rec'd diary that has made you so hot and bothered. Why can't you do the same?

You claim to be "embarassed" by MyDD. If that's the case, why don't you leave? It doesn't matter how long you have been here. If this website embarasses you so much, stop coming here. Maybe you would like it better at some other sites. One that comes to mind right away has an orange and white color scheme and is run by a guy who thinks that Hillary "darkened" an image of Obama to make him look "blacker" than he really is. Note, this was the guy who runs the site saying that, and not a mere diarist. Or, you might just let it go until after the nomination fight is over. Things will probably calm down here after that.

Either way, it has become really tiresome to read diary after diary written by Obama supporters complaining about the rec. list or all the diaries or posts in general. A majority of users here seem to support Hillary over Obama. Deal with it or go somewhere else. Excesses and overreaching are certainly (not by a long, long shot) exclusive to internet Hillary supporters. Obama supporters, in a few short months, have built a legend for themselves on the internet for their thuggishness, their trollishness, their misogyny, their brutishness, and their outright fascism on site after site.

So, get off the fainting couch if a few Hillary supporters on this site have seen fit to give Obama supporters a taste of his their own medicine.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:57:12 PM EST

Re: If you're embarrased--scram! (2.00 / 4)

If you don't like it, then don't read it.

I mean shouldn't you be following your own advice first?

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:00:16 PM EST
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Re: If you're embarrased--scram! (1.83 / 6)

Fleeing from website to website is the other camp's m.o., not ours.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:00:28 PM EST
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WORD (1.75 / 4)

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:20:56 PM EST
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Re: WORD (2.00 / 2)

Wow, troll-rated by 'Blue Jean', someone who I've never seen a single post from.

Who are these people, and why do I get the image of them being three feet tall and wearing elf-shoes?

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:59:37 PM EST
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Re: WORD (2.00 / 0)

It's probably a cover name. Some Freeper is thinking to him/herself: you know, I can't use a name that is in all caps, or some absurdly jingoistic name, but I know that the Democrats identify themselves with the color blue, and my name is Jean...yes, Blue Jean. And it's witty. That's the ticket!

I'd uprate you but that feature has been disabled on my account for months.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:05:22 PM EST
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Re: WORD (2.00 / 1)

Mine too.

Jerome is back.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:00:17 PM EST
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I've been hit by (2.00 / 0)

that same poster several times. I say a ratings troll.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:14:36 PM EST
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Re: WORD (2.00 / 0)

If you look at her comment history you'll see she just runs around troll or hide rating all of the pro-Obama comments she can. I reported her to the moderators yesterday and I suggest you might do the same.

Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.

by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:33:18 PM EST
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Actually, I think the diarist is (2.00 / 2)

appealing to the moderators and more reasonable users to possibly not recommend outright lies to the rec list or at least that they be taken down when they've been blatantly proven wrong.

Personally, I think he's wasting his time, but I admire his effort.

Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.

by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:23:02 PM EST
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OK (none / 0)

But what's been "proven to be an outright lie" to a supporter of one candidate may not be seen as such by the supporters of the other candidate. The moderators are not some sort of super-human "truth commission" who can sort out the lies from the truth with unfailing accuracy. That's what discussion boards are all about, no? Letting everyone have their say and the truth will emerge (hopefully" from the clash of ideas, arguments, and facts. In any event, the failure of the moderators to shut down a particular discussion that this diarist has chosen to call a "lie," means nothing at all. Almost every diary can be called a "lie," or, at least, can be said to contain "lies," by a partisan for the other candidate. The moderators have never claimed to be able to, or to want to, arbitrate the "truth" in all such instances. The diarist doesn't like the diary on this topic that is on the rec. list. OK, so the diarist can present his or her arguments in the rec'd diary, here, or anywhere else. But why is a failing of the site as a whole that the rec'd diary continues to exist just because this one user thinks it's a "lie?" It isn't.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:31:08 PM EST
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Re: OK (2.00 / 2)

I don't accept your premise. There are claims that might be lies, and then there are those that have been proven to be lies, like this one. It is, of course, up to the owners of this site what kind of site they want to have, and if they want a site where outright lies are routinely "recommended", that is totally up to them.

Your argument is really quite philosophical. You are basically arguing that there is no truth, only one's opinion of truth. Sorry, but I remember a document I read once that pronounced that certain truths are even "self-evident."

This "finger" thing was a funny joke when it first came out, and then some people, many here in fact, began to take it seriously, and take out single frames that seemed to support the preposterous hypothesis that one of our Democratic candidates for President flipped the bird at the other in a public forum while knowing cameras were rolling. I'm not sure what kind of mental level would allow one to believe that, but certainly when shown other video that proves what is obvious, that Obama was scratching his face, then these people should retract their statements, now shown to be lies. Barring this self-policing, it might behoove the moderators of this site to do it.

Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.

by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:50:44 PM EST
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Please note that MyDD was cleaned up while Jerome (1.83 / 6)

... away on his trip. The worst of the bile spewers, most of whom cross-posted their garbage here from their home at NoQuarter, were booted.

I doubt it is a coincidence that Jerome returns and the scum comes back with him.

Look at linfar's lie-packed garbage currently on the rec list. That is Rovian Swiftboating at it's best/worst. The fact that Jerome allows this kind of crap to exist here tells you all you need to know about this blog and its proprietor.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:00:11 PM EST

Re: Please note that MyDD was cleaned up while Jer (2.00 / 2)

Noted:

I feel like we have a general election to win, and I have my finger in the dyke.

by Mostly on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:01:32 PM EST
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note BJ was given a pass while Jerome was away (2.00 / 0)

your vile talk and name calling is just so horrible. You fancy this an admirable quality?

I see, you are projecting over the diaries you throw up. And I guess you feel your name calling, lies and attacks will all be continuously overlooked because you spread such goodness around like daisies on a summer day.

by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:04:53 PM EST
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Re: Please note that MyDD was cleaned up while Jer (2.00 / 5)

Seriously. I'd like to hear flat out from Jerome, why did MyDD unban people that were linking to White supremacist websites? People linking to Neo-Nazis's blogs? People linking to places the ADL lists as hate sites? You have diarists here citing those sources in posts they're making, and that's OK?

by Whash on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:05:44 PM EST
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Please note that you are full of it (2.00 / 0)

Again, if you "know all that you need to know" about this site and its proprietor, why are you still here?

In any event, it is a complete joke to see someone like you, who has posted sleazy hit diary after sleazy hit diary about Hillary saying anything at all about standards, "bile," "scum,", "lies," or "swiftboating." Why don't you go write another Tuzla-Sciafe-Donor list-tax return-whatever bullshit accusation, smear, lie, innuendo about Hillary is prominent at this moment diary--Mr Phony Clean Campaign.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:08:19 PM EST
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I'm still here because... (2.00 / 4)

... I'm secretly in love with you.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:15:11 PM EST
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Re: I'm still here because... (2.00 / 0)

Ha! That nearly knocked me out of my chair.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:21:09 PM EST
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Re: I'm still here because... (none / 0)

I'll take that as an admission that you have no real answer to my post, and are reduced to unfunny, insulting attempts at humor. Have a nice night, Mr. New Kind of Politics, and I look forward to your next diary, and all of the love and unity and hope and change and transformation that it contains.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:35:53 PM EST
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No answer to your inane question... (2.00 / 2)

... "Why are you still here?"

It's a stupid question. Who cares?

I don't care why you're here. Why do you care why I'm here?

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:39:12 PM EST
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inane question. (2.00 / 1)

Duh, because I'm not complaining about the site, you are. You posted a diary calling this site a "cesspool of hatred," I didn't. And you posted again on this thread about your displeasure with how the site is run, "I didn't. See the difference, Bob? Since you seem to not like this site, I think it is a legitimate question to ask you why you come here. Get it now?

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:43:22 PM EST
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This is a good site. (2.00 / 1)

I like it. It could be better. I think the sewage flowing over from NoQuarter -- sewage that was cleaned up while Jerome was gone, but has now returned -- takes the site down a notch.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:46:26 PM EST
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Sewage (2.00 / 1)

Why complain about "sewage" when you spew it? There are some Obama supporters on this site who could at least legitimately make the claims you are making, but you're not one of them. In fact, given your record, your support for them in this argument detracts from whatever persuasive force it might otherwise have. In short, Hit Diary Bob, this is not the thread for you.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:56:15 PM EST
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You don't like my writing. (2.00 / 0)

I get that.

Who cares?

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:00:28 PM EST
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Re: You don't like my writing. (2.00 / 1)

That's not the point. Stop trying to change the subject. You write from the gutter in the anti-Hillary diaries that you post here, thus, you have no right to complain that this site also contains anti-Obama diaries written from the gutter.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:05:44 PM EST
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I do? (2.00 / 1)

Here are my last three diaries here:

The Woods Fund Board: Dastardly Communist Terrorists!
An explanation of The Woods Fund, the charity board on which both Obama and Ayers sat, as well as an explanation of Obama's relationship with Ayers.

Clinton's Dilemma: The more negative she goes, the worse she does
A diary you probably didn't like it, but the title speaks the truth and the poll numbers bear it out, as I show in the diary. Facts suck, don't they?

The Clinton Campaign: Too Arrogant to Work for the Nomination
Again, a diary you probably did not like, but, taking a look at Jonathan's front-pager right now with Hillary's complaints about caucuses, I think this diary is dead-on. Her campaign didn't set up organizations to win caucuses. Her losses were fault, not the fault of the process that all candidates knew about going in.

Comapre those diaries to the "Obama gave Hillary the finger" pieces of crap here today. Or the numerous pieces of bile on Obama's connection to Ayers, most of which were copied directly from Fox News talking points.

I get that you don't like my take on the race, but I have been accurate. Read the Ayers/Woods Fund piece and tell me if these idiotic charges flowing from NoQuarter and/or Karl Rove have any merit.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:24:37 PM EST
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You do (none / 0)

You're kidding, right? Do I really need to dredge up all of your Tuzla-Sciafe-etc Hit Diaries? So, OK, maybe sometimes you don't write a diary quite as scurillous as this one, but you have written plenty of them overall. I don't even know what to say to you anymore. Maybe you are just totally blinded by your partisanship, or maybe you are just so cynical that you will make any claim even if you know it is BS. Do you really think of yourself as a reasonable Obama supporter? One who doesn't scandal-monger at Hillary's expense every chance you get? Do you really think that you, with your posting and diaring history for all to see, and judge, has any standing to complain about the lack of fairness or objectivity of anyone else's diaries or posts?

I am a partisan Hillary supporter and I know it. So, for the most part, I don't go around saying it's "not fair" that such and such anti-Hillary diary was written, or is on the rec list, or hasn't been taken down, or whatever. You are an Obama supporter, and a pretty extreme and caustic one at that, yet, here you are, playing the role of a butter-wouldn't-melt-in-your-mouth, poor, little, all-about-the-fairness-and-evenhandednes s poster. It's so unpersuasive that it would be laughable if it wasn't such a sick joke.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:41:30 PM EST
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The only thing I wrote on Tuzla is that it (2.00 / 0)

... played directly into her Achilles Heel which is honesty and trustworthiness.

Did you see today's Newsweek poll? Or this week's ABC/WaPo poll?

Nearly 60% think she is untrustworthy, and that number has gone up since the Tuzla story broke.

Again, facts suck.

As for Scaife, she meets with the guy who spent millions attacking her and her husband and the next day he trashes Obama in his paper.

Just coincidental, I am sure.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:45:03 PM EST
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you wrote hit diaries (none / 0)

In other words, you wrote hit diaries about these two topics, and many, many more, just as I said you did. You can claim that they were just about "facts," but anyone can go and read them and see the innuendo, the slander, the refusal to accept anything but the most damning interpretation, and so on. You're a partisan, Bob. You fight dirty. Everyone else knows it, so there's no point in denying it. You have zero standing to invoke any kind of standards on this board.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:55:06 PM EST
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The diary on Tuzla, in its entirety: (none / 0)

Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Biggest Weakness

While much has been written about Clinton's Tuzla landing fable, the bigger picture of her exaggeration/fib goes well beyond undercutting her oft-repeated "Ready on day one" positioning.

According to a March 18 Gallup Poll, Clinton's Achilles Heel is that voters do not believe she is honest:

Perceived Honesty Gap for Clinton Versus Obama, McCain

Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).

In an effort to prove her foreign policy bona fides of late, Clinton has made a number of claims which, at best, appear to be stretching the truth of her impact on events.

In this case, though, she has been caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

While Clinton brushes off her tall tale as a "minor blip," the fact that she has repeated this fib in front of cameras at least twice will underscore her biggest perceived weakness in the minds of voters.

Contrast her harrowing tale against video showing her casually greeting a welcoming party, and reporters and others discounting her version of events, and voters' strongest negative perceptions of her will be reinforced.

You call that a hit diary? In fact, I was correct. After the story broke, her negatives went up. More voters considered her untrustworthy, as I noted in the diary.

Yes, facts suck. But that was not a "hit diary." It was a political observation you did not agree with. But it was true.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:03:10 PM EST
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You call that a hit diary? (none / 0)

Yes: "Fable, positioning, fib, exageration, positioning, do not believe she is honest, stretching the truth, fib [again], weakness in the mind of the voters, hand in the cookie jar, tall tale" and so on. . . and those are only your characterizations, not the ones you selectively quote. As I said, you take a soupcon of fact and squeeze every negative implication that you possibly can out of it. Could any diary about the subject be as one-sided as yours, and call her a liar in more different ways?

Stop it Bob. You are embarassing yourself. You are a hit diarist par excellence. You simply have no standing to complain about hit diaries written against your candidate.

by freemansfarm on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:12:42 PM EST
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Looks to me as if you have a big (none / 0)

problem with Hillary's statements being analysed and called what they actually are, which are lies. That's unfortunate.....for you.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:41:25 PM EST
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It was a fable, a fib and an exaggeration. (none / 0)

Take your pick.

In fact, nearly 60% of voters think she is "not honest," according to two polls released this week. That's not me making something up. Those are reported facts.

I note you fail to dispute the main point of the diary which is that the Tuzla story plays to her biggest weakness with voters.

It did exactly as I said and her numbers took a hit as a result.

You have a problem with facts, particularly, facts that show your candidate in a poor light.

But they are facts, nonetheless.

by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:55:15 PM EST
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We're not going on strike! (2.00 / 1)

We're here for the duration, folks. Deal with it.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:09:14 PM EST
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