Joe Biden Heads To Georgia

Interesting that, as Obama's VP announcement nears, the guy whose stock seems to have risen sharply in the past few days as the pundits' favorite VP choice is plucked to head to Georgia on a diplomacy mission.

Democratic Senator Joseph Biden, who has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for White House hopeful Barack Obama, said on Saturday he would visit Georgia this weekend.

Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, said he had been asked to go to Georgia by President Mikheil Saakashvili for talks over the conflict with Russia.

"I am going to Georgia this weekend to get the facts first-hand and to show my support for Georgia's people and its democratically-elected government," said Biden in a statement.

"I look forward to reporting to my colleagues in the Senate and on the Foreign Relations Committee, as well as the administration, about what I learn."

Biden said that he would also meet Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze and US ambassador to Georgia John Tefft.

Interesting that while John McCain dispatched Sens. Lieberman and Graham to Georgia, it was Georgia's president who requested Biden's presence there.

What makes this perhaps even more interesting is its intersection with the Veep-stakes. Does this make Biden more attractive as a VP choice, especially insofar as Biden's able to counter McCain's little commander in chief act these past few days, or is the fact that he would leave the country at all just as Obama is poised to announce his VP pick a signal that he is not in the running after all (the equivalent of Biden's being scheduled to appear on Wednesday night at the convention in a slot other than that reserved for the VP nominee.)



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Evan Bayh would be his vp pick .

Rob Portman for VP.


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 12:53:05 PM EST

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for Mccain


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 12:53:27 PM EST
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Speaking of foreign policy leaders, this report from a Sunday talk show (from The Page) caught my eye:

Late Edition: Sen. Lugar dismissed Lieberman's criticism of Obama at a McCain camp event as "clearly a partisan statement." Said McCain's support for kicking Russia out of the G-8 is probably not a good idea.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/17/on-th e-sunday-shows-39/

Might Republican Senator Lugar of Indiana endorse Obama? If so, Bayh is not needed to carry Indiana for Obama.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 12:56:28 PM EST

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Not going to happen.

If Obama is thinking of Indiana he needs Bayh to have a chance of getting over the top .

Lugar isn't going to endorse Obama.


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:00:55 PM EST
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It may or may not happen. Personally I don't have a crystal ball.

But ads with Lugar criticizing McCain would be very helpful for Obama.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:14:35 PM EST
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" But ads with Lugar criticizing McCain would be very helpful for Obama. "

- It would be potentially embarassing for Obama , if Lugar comes out and emphasizes his support for Mccain and condemns using him to criticize Mccain in ads.

I don't think the Obama folks would go that far , the furthest they would probably go is using Lugar or citing him praising his work.


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:43:36 PM EST
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Actually Obama used Lugar in one of his ads and when asked about it Lugar was fine with it.

I still think his VP is Biden and I look forward to Biden slamming McCain all the way until election day.


by sweet potato pie on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:23:51 PM EST
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That ad is still within bounds , he was using Lugar as a criticism of Mccain but as a way to show his own efforts.

If Obama uses Lugar as a criticism of Mccain in an ad , it might be a step too far unless Lugar approves of it.


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:34:11 PM EST
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However I have no doubt he genuinely admires Obama .

Maybe that midwestern manners or the fact that they worked together.

I would think its a bridge to far using him in ads criticizing Mccain.


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by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:45:55 PM EST
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Lugar as VP? (none / 0)

That would certainly be CHANGE!


by antiHyde on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 07:11:55 PM EST
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How about Secretary of State Biden (that is, if Delaware elects a Dem Goberno this year)?


by spirowasright on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:02:03 PM EST

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Biden will be the VP.  Just because he is going to Georgia does not mean he isn't going to be the VP.  I am sure Biden will be back by Wednesday when Obama will make his announcement.  Biden is the perfect choice.  Older democrats will be very happy with Obama's choice.  Also, from watching the faith forum last night and old man McBush saying he would choose supreme court judges that will overturn Roe v Wade, democratic women who care about this should have no thoughts now of voting for old man McBush if they ever thought of doing so before.  I don't think that Obama ever had democratic catholics who vote on abortion issues.  I tend to think that these democrats were never real democrats anyway.  


by Spanky on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:08:26 PM EST

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Exactly!

You guys do not know how much older voters LOVE Joe Biden.

I've stated before that I worked in Times Square and Joe Biden would come to appear on Dave Letterman and the only people swarming him to get a picture or an autograph were older white ladies.


by sweet potato pie on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM EST
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So you are saying that Biden is actually to older voters what Obama is to younger ones? The pretty boy who has charm and intelligence?


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by vcalzone on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 04:51:05 PM EST
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Biden is Obama's least objectionable choice to me, Clinton being his most positive.

If he is playing it safe I bet on Biden.


by souvarine on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:17:01 PM EST

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Biden will be happy with VP or Secretary of State. I bet he probably prefers State because of the bigger budget, and the arguably greater global profile.


by blueflorida on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:22:28 PM EST

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President Saakashvili's invitation to Senator Biden is a smart move.  It makes sense currently because Biden chairs the Foreign Relations Commitee in the Senate.  

Biden also serves as an ideal back-channel between the Georgian government and Senator Obama, more than likely our next president.  While this would be true even if Obama picks Evan Bayh, Tim Kaine, or someone who isn't the senior senator from Delaware, this invitation enhances the prospect that it will be an Obama/Biden ticket.


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by CLLGADEM on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 01:42:32 PM EST

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When will Obama announce his VP.   With only ONE week until the Conventions starts....Obama is playing this decision awfully close to gametime.

I heard rumors that he was considering John Kerry(according to the drudge report). Is that serious?  OMG! Talk about a PR disaster. 2004 anyone? Remember last yrs controversy over the education and Iraq deployment hoopla :(

I really hope he chooses Hillary Clinton since the list of qualified candidates seems to be dwindling big-time.

We need a VP who is a rockstar and someone who can excite the general public. Obviously names such as Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards, and Colin Powell will succeed in that regard. (scratch Edwards off the list now with the sex sandal)

My fear is will try to play it safe and he will name a insecure unknown who is afraid of the national spotlight and quite frankly the nation as a whole doesn't give a hoot about.    Names such as Bayh, Biden, Sebelius, Kaine, Nunn, Webb, etc.....are doom to fail.   Essentially they are the Democratic version of Dan Quayle.    I don't know if that is the picture we want to portray in what is deemed to be a close election.

First most of America is barely starting to get use to BARACK OBAMA. Barack is a new figure into politics and familiarity with his name and platform is initially starting to get traction. It would be a HUGE mistake to force Americans to "google" his VP pick in order to know who the heck it is. People want familiarity and confidence in their VP pick.


by newmexicodem on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:11:04 PM EST

Wrong (none / 0)

Biden is very popular among older democrats.  He is from Scranton and although he has foot in mouth disease he can be a very effective attack dog and reassure older white voters that it is okay to go with Obama.

Biden is also very well-known in the rust belt which will be very helpful to Obama.


by sweet potato pie on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST
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The Devil heads down to Georgia (none / 0)

Why do I keep thinking that Putin is going to challenge Biden to a fiddle contest?


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by Dracomicron on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 03:40:09 PM EST

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I am hoping for Biden.  Interesting that Andrea Mitchell said on MTP that the Obama campaign is leaning towards Biden now.

I think it is NO accident that we haven't seen Biden much on the scene lately at all.  Typically he is on every show there is and he hasn't been around.  I think that Obama campaign is trying to see if Biden can keep his mouth shut.  Well it looks like he can.


by puma on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 04:02:31 PM EST

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My 2 cents on the VP pick:

Biden meshes well with Obama, offering experience and foreign policy credentials.  It's easy to forget that it was not so long ago that Joe Biden was a "rockstar" in the party.  While his star has dimmed through the years, I think this is a man that would have enough of the base intrigued as well.

Is he the right choice?  For all the talk about rock star candidates and ideal VP choices this season, I still don't see it.  This isn't me being cynical - rather, I just never saw Obama or Clinton as rockstar candidates (whatever the heck that is ...).  I don't see an ideal VP candidate.  If you could take the relative youth of Bayh and combine it with some positive attributes of Biden, maybe you have a decently ideal VP candidate for Obama.  I never saw any of the governors as being ideal, particularly Tim Kaine, who I really like a lot (although, out of Virginia, I still like Jim Webb and Mark Warner better, but Webb backed off (and I'm not sure he meshed as well with Obama as most thought) and Warner wasn't a good fit for Obama).  I would've liked to see some House of Rep guys get consideration, perhaps a guy like Chris Van Hollen, but he offers little to the ticket, and "game planning" is a definite factor.

Anyhow, back more to the point of the OP - I think this move is to allow Saakashvili to cover bases.  To be honest, Todd, I don't see the point of emphasis on Saakashvili asking for Biden - people know Saakashvili has decent relations with the McCain camp to begin with.  I think this is Saakashvili wanting to make sure he's reached out to all sides, as this conflict isn't likely to be settled in totality before the next President.  

I think the Obama camp probably would encourage such action as well, showing some "commander-in-chief" action.  Maybe I'm not in line with liberal talking points, but I think McCain won points in this crisis with his firm stance, whereas I think Obama might've lost a little ground (that said, Obama wasn't going to "win" on FP anyways ... he just has to not lose badly on FP).

Anyhow, this gets back to the original starting point - what does this mean on the VP selection?  Well, I don't think it means much.  Actually, it could buttress a Biden pick.  Think about it - Biden comes back in time for the convention (and probably earlier), showing his FP chops to push Obama up.  They have a big PR showing of Obama and Biden talking about FP issues, announcing Biden as the VP, and Biden gets to not only give a strong theoretical assessment of FP, but a very real time assessment of FP in his VP speech.  Played correctly, this could be the type of FP push that Obama, IMO, still needs.

Short of it is, I think Biden is the front runner.  I'm okay with Bayh, although I know the blogosphere is aghast at that.  If Bayh could show some more fire, I'd like him even better.  The one name I fear is Bill Richardson, who I think would cause harm instead of helping.


by toonsterwu on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 04:06:07 PM EST

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How about Secretary of State Biden (that is, if Delaware elects a Dem Governor this year)?

Forgive the misspelling on my previous post.


by spirowasright on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 04:30:32 PM EST

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Truthfully, if the election was simply between Biden and McCain, Biden would be up by 10  right now. However, as a vp Biden still packs a punch.  Hillary would also bring a lot to the table.


by nzubechukwu on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 04:34:22 PM EST

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For what it's worth, I'm not that excited about Biden.  He voted for the war and is the personification of D.C. but, that said, he never co-chaired the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq with McCain and Lieberman and therefore is a hell of a lot better than Evan Bayh.

I prefer Tim Kaine, but if it must be Biden, and if he helps Obama get to the White House, then so be it.  Let's just make a decision soon and focus on the task of winning the election.


by Will Graham on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 05:37:34 PM EST

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Much as I think Kaine is a good guy, I'm just not sold that he would

a)  Help make up for Obama's "deficiencies"
b)  Make any real difference on the ticket

As good as Kaine has been, Mark Warner's political cache in Virginia is still likely ahead of Kaine's, and as long as Obama has Warner, Kaine, and Webb campaigning for him fairly consistently, I think that gives the Dems a shot in Virginia.  (This might not be that clear - short of it is, I don't think Kaine on the VP ticket will boost our chances of winning Virginia by any significant amount, and his strengths don't balance out with what Obama needs to win).


by toonsterwu on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 07:50:37 PM EST
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I agree that Kaine probably wouldn't be much help to Obama in Virginia, but he's a fresh face, reinforces the change message, doesn't have an Iraq War vote to apologize for, and, among other things, is fiercely loyal to Obama and speaks Spanish fluently.

Kaine brings positives (and negatives) like Biden and Bayh, just from a different perspective.

But who knows?  Maybe Obama's got an ace up his sleeve no one is talking about and will surprise us.


by Will Graham on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 07:59:55 PM EST
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I don't think it's a good idea to have a Ticket with a combined total of 3 1/2 times the normal number of teeth.


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by QTG on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 05:43:31 PM EST

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But the ticket would be compensated by it having 1/3rd the normal amount of hair.
J/k! J/k!
by Mr DC on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 06:39:05 PM EST
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Suddenly Gephardt (none / 0)

I tell ya, I've been saying Biden for a while now, but . . .

Why did Gephardt spike recently in intrade? He didn't have a media boomlet, neither he nor anyone in the Obama campaign were quoted on the subject of him as the running mate.

Yet he surged suddenly last week, and in thinking about this I can only come up with one explanation.

Someone with inside info is trying to run up the price. This person isn't violating trust per se because they are not leaking the info, but are exploiting it for personal gain. Maybe it is two or three people. Regardless, what other reason is there for a sudden Gephardt boomlet in the futures market when there is absolutely none anywhere else?

Also notice the emphasis Obama is putting on labor lately?

That would fit if he is going to pick Gephardt.


by Davidsfr on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:54:36 PM EST

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After watching Evan Bayh get mopped up by Tim Pawlenty (of all people?) on sunday, all I could think of was Clinton or Biden as VP.  Both are supremely confident and would be the best choice as Obama's VP.  


by ND1979 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:50:04 AM EST

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Oh dear. Joe Biden is the man behind the RAVE Act, and the impetus behind every bankruptcy "reform" bill to grace the Congress in the last 10 years including the one that passed in 2005. It's a little sickening that that person is seriously being considered.


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by bowiegeek on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:38:59 PM EST


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