Senate 2008: Oklahoma May Be on the Map

Color me surprised. I have had my eye on the Oklahoma Senate race for a while but haven't written too much about it given that although I believe GOP incumbent Jim Inhofe to be vulnerable and his Democratic challenger Andrew Rice to be credible, Oklahoma is an incredibly red state and the last time it held a Senate election concurrent to a Presidential election, back in 2004, a very able Democratic candidate (Congressman Brad Carson) lost to an underwhelming GOP candidate (now-Senator Tom Coburn). But maybe this contest isn't as out of reach as I had once thought.

Oklahoma Democratic Senate candidate Andrew Rice has narrowed Republican Senator Jim Inhofe's lead from twenty points two months ago to nine points today, according to a new poll conducted for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Rice campaign. Inhofe now leads Rice only 50% to 41%, down from a 53% to 33% lead in June. Only 46% of Oklahomans say Inhofe is doing an excellent or good job, with 47% saying he is doing only a fair or poor job.

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The poll of 600 likely voters was taken August 12 to 14 by the Benenson Strategy Group and has a 4% margin of error.

This is going to be a tough race for Rice to win, no doubt. As alluded to above, back in 2004 the trend for Carson looked great with the Democrat leading by a 44 percent to 39 percent margin in late September, and it appeared as though the Democrats had a legitimate shot at picking up Oklahoma's other Senate seat. In the end, however, Coburn pulled out a relatively comfortable 53 percent to 41 percent victory over Carson.

That all said, that Rice, who coming into the race was much less of a proven commodity in Oklahoma than Carson, is already pulling in the same amount of support in mid-August that Carson was able to garner in November 2004 is a good sign. What's more, with the Republicans on the defensive around the country, and environmental groups particularly aiming at Inhofe (in a way not too dissimilar to the efforts waged against the similarly anti-environment Richard Pombo in 2006), this could the type of race that flies under the radar only to come together as a real contest in the end. For now, chalk it up as yet another contest we need to be keeping our eye one.

Below the fold... an ad from the Rice campaign.



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It's Great to Be Optimistic... (2.00 / 1)

And if any GOP Senator deserves to go, Jim Inhofe is it.  But we were really high in 2004 and it was all a let down.  Also - touting that Rice is in the same position now as Coburn was in 2004 isn't saying much.  Of course the federal Republican candidate is going to have a higher base with a higher ceiling than a Democrat.  I'd love to make the Republicans sweat this one out, but it's not gonna happen.


by umcpgreg on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:10:18 PM EST

I said it in my comment, but... (none / 0)

it bears repeating.

Obama -> Rice vs. McCain -> Inhofe

is a better match-up for us than

Kerry -> Carson vs. Bush -> Colburn

The 2004 matchup was, on all levels, a we're-not-THAT-bad-for-Democrats campaign.  Kerry only there to neutralize a particular line of attack (weak on national security, don't support the troops) where he his performance was very nearly the definition of EPIC FAIL.  Carson was a case of trying to get the reddest Democrat we could scare up.  Both were transparantly pandering choices, which is why Oklahoma rejected them.

The 2008 ticket is about changing minds.  While I doubt that Obama has a shot at winning our 7 electoral votes, his campaign could stop the bleeding enough to allow a very good candidate a victory over a very bad one.

Of course, I am all about fighting the good fight - so while it's an uphill battle, I know we can win this one.  Hopefully the DSCC and the obama campaign will throw some resources this way, and us Okie-Dems will pony up for the best candidate we have had in a long time.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Re: Senate 2008: Oklahoma May Be on the Map (none / 0)

I met Andrew Rice at a 21st Century Democrats event last year and I was really impressed with him. Would love to see him have a shot at the Oklahoma Senate seat. Hard to get too optimistic though...Oklahoma tends to send the most reactionary senators imaginable to Congress.


by democrattotheend on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:19:37 PM EST

Oy (none / 0)

Obama (or any other Democrat) loses Oklahoma by 20. Downticket from that bloodbath, it's nearly impossible to win there. That's why coburn won in 2004.

We need a midterm election to capture that seat...


by Dale Johnson 007 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:49 PM EST

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Eh... down 11 points from the previous poll or not, Inhofe is still at or above 50, Carson was one of our best hopes, and there are easier third tier races to win. I wish Rice all the best, but my own attention and, when I have cash to spare, funds, will be thinking more about Texas, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Mississippi.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:20:05 PM EST

I voted against Carson in the primary (2.00 / 1)

I was devastated when he won the primary.  I supposed I was all hyped up on Dean-mania, but Carson was just a GOP-lite Democrat.

I don't think we are going to 'trick' Oklahoma into electing a Democrat disguised as a Republican.  Rice is much mor progressive than Carson was - actually, I met Carson a few times at campaign events, and obviously followed his campaign closely (Colburn's douchebaggery was obvious from the get-go... the man in hopelessly batshit crazy) and was never enthusiastic about his chances; he just came across in a very lame way.  He ran a conservative Democratic campaign, much like say Harold Ford did (from waht I could see, I followed the Ford race through the national press and blogs, not through local press and exposure as I followed the Carson-Colburn race).

Colburn and Inhofe win a who's-more-conservative pissing contest any day.  Unlike Carson, who ran a kind of hey-I'm-not-THAT-bad-for-a-Democrat campaign, Rice seems tobe running a map-changing campaign... out there trying to convince people to vote for him because he will represent them better on the issues, especially health care.

It helps that Inhofe is a total asshat - Colburn, while a total tool, has genuine batshit-crazy sincerity going for him.  Inhofe is in it for the power and loot, and he just happened to develop a niche as the most back-assward memebr of Congress.

All in all, I would say that Obama will do much better here than Kerry, much like everywhere else.  He probably won't win here, but he will campaign and that will help Rice.  Rice fits into the overall theme of the Obama campaign.

We have a very good Democratic governor who is not a GOP-lite washout, but a Democrat with good progressive ideas that is willing to work with the GOP if they behave themselves and is not afraid to play a little rough if they don't.  Again, kinda like the Obama image.  Carson was more of a DLC-kinda guy, at least that was MY take on him after sitting through the campaign.

Overall, I was much more into Dean and was extremely pissed after watching Dems in Iowa and NH vote for Kerry because they thought there is NO WAY the GOP would smear a veteran (how'd that work out for us?  I forgot.) and to this day I think Dean would have mopped the floor with His Shrubness Gee-Dub the First.  So take what I think witha grain of salt... but I think that even in OK, we only make headway by challenging assumptions and changing minds.  In this respect Obama and Rice are MILES ahead of Kerry and Carson, and Inhofe (who is personally corrput and repugnant) is a much more favorable opponent for us that Colburn (who is more of a crazy idealist and has something approximating charisma, at least to conservatives).

So I am VERY optomistic about this race and will be working and contributing to make sure that the senior asshat from OK gets a permanent vacation.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:54:32 PM EST

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I think that this race is worth putting money into, for two reasons:
-A Rice win would be absolutely backbreaking for the right-wing.  Inhofe is a one man brick wall for progressive environmental legislation, especially dealing with climate change.  Removing that brick wall would be huge.  

Also, I met Rice this spring, and when I expressed my support for habeas restoration, his reaction was, "I'm all about habeas!"  I have no illusions that he's suddenly going to go to the Senate and become Feingold, but there's good reason he'll actually be progressive on a few issues, which is more than we can hope for from a number of our candidates.

-Oklahoma's a pretty cheap state to run a race.  Throwing a half-million bucks there and seeing if the numbers move, in the context of the DSCC's largesse, seems like a worthwhile gamble.  If it works, it's another quality race on our radar screen and, if not, it's just a half-million, which isn't that much for Schumer and co.


John McCain
by DanM on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:58:48 PM EST


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