Obama Slams McCain

Just back to LA, catching up here but I saw some of Barack's VFW speech on the plane where I was pleased to see him get tough with McCain, particularly this passage:

But one of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character and patriotism. I have never suggested that Senator McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition. I have not suggested it because I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America's national interest. Now, it's time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same.

Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country. I love America, so do you, and so does John McCain.

Barack proves with this speech that taking the high road and getting tough with McCain are not mutually exclusive. More of this, please, Senator.

TPM's video of it is below:



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by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:29:33 PM EST

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LOL we can't even get there on blogs! disagree with  one of the protected purity trolls and OMG the hate and abuse that pours forth is amazing.


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:31:45 PM EST

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This is something I really like about Obama - he can aggressively take on the cheap shots and call them out for what they are without making cheap shots himself.  Effectively, he gets to call McCain a cheap shot artist - which he clearly has become - without himself becoming a cheap shot artist in the process.

I think Obama and has people are very wise students of recent history in their analysis of John Kerry's 2004 Campaign.  They saw the way in which Kerry was tarred and feathered throughout that campaign but always maintained the high road by not responding to the attacks.  They saw that Kerry's approach, while admirable, wasn't particularly effective, and that they needed to devise a message strategy that would enable Obama to respond to the attacks without getting sucked in to the mudslinging himself.

And it's working.  I believe with the truly undecided reasonable centrist block who this strategy is meant to sway, it is working.

We don't need to be convinced to vote for Obama here, and those over at redstate.com don't need to be convinced why not to vote for him.  It's the people in the middle - the folks John Kerry lost by rolling over when he was attacked - that Obama is talking to.


by Obamaphile on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:34:30 PM EST

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It's something I liked about Obama in the primaries, and then he just lost that aspect of his campaigning over the past two months. Or maybe he hasn't lost it and the media just isn't reporting it; it will be interesting to see if they pick this up. If they don't we'll be in trouble, because I don't think the undecided reasonable centrist block will get the message otherwise.

But it's great to see this (finally). Let's hope he keeps it up, and that everyone notices.


by fsm on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:12:20 PM EST
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I think Obama's numbers go down when he is not out in the forefront of his campaign. When he speaks directly to the people, he wins. He comes across as incredibly reasonable and sane, which is such a nice change. I hope they start having rallies again and that they use him more in his campaign. He should be speaking directly to Americans.


by Lolis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:26:15 PM EST
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I think Invesco... (none / 0)

Might just be the first of a few stadium-sized rallies for Obama in the final leg of this marathon.

At a minimum, I expect the 20,000 seat arena tour to go back into full swing throughout October.  It's great television, and projects the strength of the movement.  Obama's got this election in the bag as long as his would-be voters stay motivated and energized enough to show up on November 4th.  The only thing that will drive those numbers down is the fear that he might not win.

Seeing him talk in front of massive cheering crowds - contrary to what McCain tries to tell us - is his strongest campaign weapon, and one that he should use frequently in the home stretch.  It makes people believe that not only will he win, but that it's gonna be a blowout.  And whether or not that perceived blowout actually bears out in the final poll numbers doesn't matter.  What do you call the guy who barely squeaks out 271 EVs for a razor thin victory?  Mr. President.  Which is all that matters in the end.

It's how he beat Hillary Clinton.  Who wasn't blown away by seeing a guy filling up an NBA-sized arena for a rally during the winter primaries?


by Obamaphile on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:19:13 PM EST
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This is the guy I like:) (2.00 / 1)

One of the best things he's done so far. He needs more of this, this is how he turns public perception of those not in the "no chance he convinces anyone of anything" crowd. Uh oh, I must be a purity troll because I find Obama has redeeming qualities, please don't lock me up ;)


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:41:53 PM EST

Good point (2.00 / 1)

This is why I like Obama.  He points out the hypocricy on the right.   We need to be able to disagree without calling the other un-American.   This is something that the GOP has been doing since 1988.  20 years is more than enough and it is time to work to end that type of politics.  

This is also why I have respect for Sen. Hagel while strongly disagreeing, and I had respect for McCain back in 2000 before he decided to suckle at the teat of Rove.    It is also while I feel that Lieberman has moved from moron to pure evil with his constant questioning the patriotism of those he disagrees with.


by gavoter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:01:32 PM EST
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It's the first refuge of scoundrals and fakes. Question the other guy to hide your lack of ideas.


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:17:31 PM EST
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One Wonders (2.00 / 3)

if this will work. CW is that he should. He just made McCain look petty and childish. He owned him.

The funny thing about this election is everyone I talk to back home, even those PUMAs, all have one thing in common;

They say McCain scares them.

Make McCain look scary, Make Obama look reasonable and calm. It's the key.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:04:04 PM EST

Odd you should say that (2.00 / 2)

"Fear" would be my reaction to a McCain presidency. Not distaste, or resignation, or even anger. Fear. The thought scares me shitless.

When McCain started bloviating about Georgia I had the oddest feeling - I wanted GWB to step in fast and shut him up. Yikes.


by Neef on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:16:45 PM EST
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Yeah (2.00 / 1)

when it comes down to it, if I had to choose between McCain and Bush, it's Bush by a mile.

The irony is the Republicans seemed to agree in 2000. I remember those primaries. Wasn't McCain the bad choice because he was unstable and scary?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:19:04 PM EST
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I'm with you... on the issue of how he chooses to use military force, McCain scares me 100 times more than Bush.  Bush was and is a slimebag opportunist warprofiteer who saw Iraq as an opportunity to get his oil buddies really rich.

McCain is an ex-POW with a psychological chip on his shoulder looking for a fight anywhere he can find one to prove that he's a tough guy.  It doesn't even have to be about an opportunity to get his friends rich.  Just as long as he gets to show the world how big his military dick is.


by Obamaphile on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:24:10 PM EST
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The part I liked best was placing this squarely on John McCain's shoulders.  He doesn't pretend like there are intermediaries and misinterpretations.  He  opens the door for McCain to either take responsibility for this or to give some tepid apologetic-like statement.  For example, McCain cannot answer to this the way Bush answered to the Swift Boat ads of 2004 by saying "we should all be nicer to each other."


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:15:41 PM EST

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This is the same Obama I watched and listened to during the Rev. Wright right-wing fusillade.
This is the same Obama I watched and listened to
during the "kitchen sink" part of our Primary.

Obama is doing what leaders do...gives us an example. We do not have to accept the exaggerations and lies without a firm and resolute response.
But unless we remain true to our core values of dignity, we are doomed to failure..( I am still working on that part..))

This is the kind of President I want sitting across from world leaders in these times of crises..

as for the GOP "they know they're lying" "they take pride in being  being ignorant."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu 28

Kerry never told the truth like this out loud...


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:27:16 PM EST

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Anyone else notice that Obama has gotten grey around the edges? Working 4 times as hard takes its toll.


by Glaurung on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:10:11 PM EST

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Anybody who thinks this ends when he gets elected is fooling themselves.

The GOP witchhunt against the Clintons is going to look like child's play compared to what they are going to try to do with our next President.  So long as we remain vigilant and keep Congress safely Democratic, we can let them scream from the sidelines without much to worry about.  But if the Rethugs regain control in 2010 or 2012, look out.  They'll find anything, anything they can to bring about another ridiculous dog-and-pony impeachment trial because they are such hateful ugly people.


by Obamaphile on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:29:50 PM EST
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Anybody who thinks this ends ... (none / 0)

It begins when Obama is sworn in. But rather than fear what the shattered GOP will try to do, I prefer to look forward to what Obama will do.


by Glaurung on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:06:11 PM EST
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And teir failure to succeed will be much more devastating to the GOp since the day of the Reagan Right will be that much further in the past.


by spirowasright on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:15:02 PM EST
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Agreed.

But the first thing they will do is make Obama choose between the progressive agenda and his post-partisan image.  

Basically, if he wants to pass anything progressive, he'll have to do it with zero Republican votes.  

It'll be interesting....


by dcg2 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 01:45:32 AM EST
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I forgot the most important thing - my post was in response to the "gray around the edges" post.  I think in 2016 the poor guy is gonna have white hair after the abuse he's gonna have to endure from the Limbaugh acolytes for eight years.


by Obamaphile on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:31:41 PM EST

That's not a slam, it's whining (none / 0)

He's basically reinforcing McCain's message (about what a great and patriotic and altruistic American McCain is) and begging him to stop being mean.

I like to our see our candidates deliver punches, not cower in the face of Republican attacks.  I suspect that a majority of Americans would like to see that, too.


by dcg2 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 01:40:13 AM EST


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